Comments: Choices, choices choices...

I like it! Pretty color.

Posted by Gwendolina at March 7, 2005 12:48 PM

Yes! I love its vertical-ness (verticality?) and the garter bits do look much better in the new size needles.

Hey, nicely done! And it only took ... well, let's not quibble over the time it took, shall we? {insert evil grin here}

Have you thought about the horrors of sleeve decreases in that pattern? No, of course not. We can't wait to see how this turns out!

Posted by MaryB at March 7, 2005 12:48 PM

Keep Keep Keep!

It's beautiful

Posted by Jayme at March 7, 2005 12:50 PM

I am currently making a vest from peace fleece, but didn't swatch and so didn't wash my swatch and so don't know about the guage change issue. Just how much did the guage change? The vest is for my enorm-o hubby and knowing this could be of enorm-o help. Thanks!

Posted by martha at March 7, 2005 12:51 PM

Yup. Keep it. It's a great balance of not-too-manly, lacy-ish and simple-enough-for-the-yarn-to-shine-but-not-so-simple-as-to-be-boring. Nice work!

Posted by Sue M at March 7, 2005 12:53 PM

Yes, it's a keeper! I did like the rib and find it interesting that you think it's too masculine. Hmm.

It seems you're practicing for the world championship speed knitting contest in NYC next year? (Wall Street Journal, front page, Feb 28)

Posted by Sylvia at March 7, 2005 12:53 PM

Yes, it is a keeper. As for designing set in sleeves, I highly recommend Jenna's article on this subject in the most recent issue of Knitty. I have recently used her instructions with success.

Posted by Jo at March 7, 2005 1:01 PM

I think it looks great! Best choice of all you tried, in my opinion. Now I want to try peace fleece...if it can put up with all that, it could put up with me!

Posted by Lisa in Oregon at March 7, 2005 1:02 PM

Oh, no. You're not going to catch me in this one -- it's like giving an opinion on the boyfriend. You two may be together forever or you may have moved on by the time I finish typing this. I'm only going to enquire -- and simply because you didn't mention it either way, he seems perfectly nice and I'm sure he can't help...well, never mind -- just an observation that the raglan sleeve is a dandy object, especially edged with a narrow band of seed stitch? No, I did NOT say he smelled funny, and his use of double negatives may have been ironic. (Good to get the receding/projecting purl issue out of the way before tackling the G4 project, though. Wise move.) And at least he isn't blue.

Posted by rams at March 7, 2005 1:07 PM

Yes!!!

Posted by Kat at March 7, 2005 1:09 PM

mittens

Posted by Susan at March 7, 2005 1:16 PM

It's purty. I made a pair of sock out of this color Peace Fleece in worsted weight, and I love them. It's great yarn. I like the stitch pattern a lot--detailed, but in a vertical pattern. Not enough of that around, as far as I can tell.

Posted by Lanea at March 7, 2005 1:17 PM

Well, I liked the swoopy lace, myself. But for non-swoopy, this is good. Keep.

Posted by mary deB at March 7, 2005 1:21 PM

What I really want to know is over how many hours this transpired....
Usually, if I'm having this much trouble with something, I need to put it down for a day or two to think it over...

Posted by TrickyTricot at March 7, 2005 1:23 PM

So: you are fast AND finicky. Amazing. I just read Ram's post and am likewise going to avoid weighing in with a preference... They all seemed lovely, actually.... so keep raising and lowering that bar and HAVE FUN! Thanks for letting us join in on the journey.

Posted by Dana at March 7, 2005 1:24 PM

Ha! That decision is up to you and you alone. No pawning decisions off on others. You know you will do what you want in the end anyway - no matter what we say. In fact, I'll bet you're doing it now. (I filched this argument from the dh - it always gets him out of it) And as for the Norma/ Stephanie Hat post last week, I don't find it strange at all that you were on the same wavelength. I have often been formulating a post in my head and voila - I see it written out on someone else's blog. This has happens more often than you know. As those ads say,' We are all connected.'

Posted by Elizabeth at March 7, 2005 1:25 PM

Yes, I agree w/Rams... seems like a nice start, and I hope it will work out, keep us posted. Of course, the pattern is always greener on the other side (or so they say). The yarn in lovely and certainly speaks of spring... ahhhhh!

Posted by tree at March 7, 2005 1:27 PM

After years of not swatching this way, it's good to know that I'm not alone in my delusional fantasies. I'm always spurred on by dim memories of those times when a bold start made it all the way to a finished sweater.

Can't wait to see the FO.

Posted by Anmiryam at March 7, 2005 1:32 PM

I am completely unqualified to give any advise on this topic - so I won't. I really like the yarn and think that whatever you do will be awesome. So there!

Posted by Stephanie at March 7, 2005 1:43 PM

I like it. Not to disuade you from the obvious joy you take in complications(me thinks the lady doth protest overmuch), but what if you ran one pattern repeat up the center of the sleeve.
Note to Ken: how many zippers is a drum carder worth?

Posted by Michelene at March 7, 2005 1:52 PM

You can modify most drop shoulder designs for what is pretty close to a fitted sleeve cap by using Barbara Walker's formula from Sweaters from the Top. I have a brief short row sleeve cap shaping when knitting the sleeve up from the cuff in my Jan. 15 2004 entry of my old blog. You can see it and the finished sweater at: http://mypeoplepc.com/members/tvsmussel/fiberewetopia/id42.html

PS..I like the pattern stitch, but not all over the sweater. Maybe as a lower portion, then do something different in the yoke or bodice area...something like a spot pattern? That way you can do something different with the sleeves too.

Posted by Valerie at March 7, 2005 1:56 PM

Don't kid yourself - you are in fact swatching. You just make far bigger swatches than many of us think necessary.

Posted by B. at March 7, 2005 2:01 PM

I am also in pursuit of the perfect cardigan pattern - but I want buttons, and something easy...but not boring, and maybe not cables, and I haven't decided whether I want it to button up to my neck, or have a v-neck - and I'm cheap and want a free pattern.

...someday I'll find it.

It would take me weeks to just knit the swatches you did over the weekend!

Posted by Eileen at March 7, 2005 2:02 PM

All versions of the sweater were/are beautiful.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN SOME MITTENS TODAY. Or a felted journal or yarn or another fabulous gift that's been waiting patiently for me to give it a loving home.

Posted by kerry at March 7, 2005 2:06 PM

I do like what you're doing, but did you consider Mariah? Zipper, close-fitting, set-in sleeves, and Peace Fleece loves cables...

Posted by alison at March 7, 2005 2:09 PM

No. You've only ripped it out -- what did you say? 5x? 6x? Not enough. You should rip it out a few more times, trying some novel pattern and/or approach with each knitting, rip them all out, and then -- after, say 10 or 12 frogging sessions -- go back to this one. Or settle on something else entirely.

For instance, have you ever tried a stitch called 'supple rib'? It would look great in that yarn (*such* a pretty color!) on size 5 needles.

Posted by Zachmami at March 7, 2005 2:11 PM

Ooooo... not going to touch that one either. But, I will say that I like the pattern and it looks good in the PF.

Now... About the guage change?? I have a cardi (the Everyday Cardi) that I made in PF worsted and is too small. Before I go ripping it out, just exactly how much did the guage change...? *crossing fingers*

Posted by Sarahfish at March 7, 2005 2:11 PM

It looks very nice, Stephanie. Continue to do what pleases you, whether it ends with this incarnation or not. :-).

Posted by LauraA at March 7, 2005 2:19 PM

Well it's nice to know that someone else is going through the same sort of thing. I have spent all weekend knitting, ripping, knitting, ripping and so on. Usually I knit to avoid housework. I've realized that today I am doing housework to avoid knitting!

At the time it seemed like a great idea to use my lovely new yarn to DESIGN a tank top. Oh yes, I was enthusiastic and gung ho. I've even come up with an original stitch pattern to use. I've reknit the beginning of that sucker about 4 or 5 times now......and that doesn't include the day and a half I spent SWATCHING different pattern combinations, measuring resulting gauges, and generating a pattern....or two, or three.

So you see Harlot, it is not necessarily your lack of swatching that leads you to the endless reknitting.

Posted by Marlene at March 7, 2005 2:27 PM

I like it. And the sturdiness of the Peace Fleece as evidenced by the experimentation you put it thru (b/c that's what you weere doing right? Pretending to have to frog so you could show us how lovely the PF remains thru trial and tribulation...) bodes well for my purple PF socks. (If I ever finish them!!)

Posted by Tish at March 7, 2005 2:28 PM

You've knitted the equivalent of an entire sweater in 3 days. Amazing. I think the current incarnation is definitely a keeper. :)

Posted by Cathy at March 7, 2005 2:36 PM

It's lovely in that last pattern. Reminds me of ivy climbing a trellis.

I will now watch as you rip it out again. :D

Posted by Jae at March 7, 2005 2:39 PM

"How hard can it be?" ... famous last words.

Oh, and I like the present incarnation of the Peace Fleece. Like it a lot. And by the time I post this, I'm sure you will be done with both front panels, the back and one sleeve.

Posted by Reenie at March 7, 2005 2:42 PM

The last one definately shows off the yarn the best. And the patterns somehow goes with the color. I'd say keep on knitting!

Posted by stephanie at March 7, 2005 3:10 PM

I like it the best of all the ones you tried. I think it's a keeper! The yarn seems to work well with that pattern... excellent :)

Posted by grumperina at March 7, 2005 3:14 PM

Like I can tell without any idea of what sort of sweater look (casual, dressy, plain, fussy) you really want?

Wait. Maybe *you* don't have any real idea either.

Never mind.

;-)

Posted by claudia at March 7, 2005 3:27 PM

Being from the Stephanie School of swatching, its kind of interesting to watch the process from the other side. Scary, but interesting.

Can't wait to see Joe's gansey progress later this week. ahem.

Posted by Cassie at March 7, 2005 3:37 PM

I like to think of unraveling partial unpleasing sweaters as a hobby- maybe an artform- in itself. By my reckoning, you've mastered it (or is it mistressed)?

Posted by gale at March 7, 2005 3:41 PM

I was thinking Mariah too.

Posted by Risa at March 7, 2005 3:52 PM

"Cardigan in soy-wool yarn seeks tiny knitter for long walks on beach, set-in sleeves, and lace." Perfect, I thought. It'll fit, and the shoulders won't hang down to my elbows. I even remembered to wash one of the swatches, in case the gauge changed.

Let's just say it's an evolving situation ... as in, I realized there is not enough yarn and no more to be had, and then 24 hours later it was 75 degrees out. Reason #14 to move to Canada: sweater weather last long enough for me to finish sweater.

Posted by Jennifer at March 7, 2005 4:09 PM

Thank you for sharing a fine example of what it takes for me to start nearly every project. It is worth the effort .... as you have shown. nice!

Posted by dreambee at March 7, 2005 5:05 PM

HEY! Nice yarn! Is it holding up well, with all the...you know, swatching?? hahahahahaha!
I loved all of them, so what do I know?
~nod

Posted by sandy at March 7, 2005 5:05 PM

I LOVE it! I am knitting the retro-prep cardi for one of my kids in the same yarn/color. It makes me want to start over, almost. I've invested a little too much into it at this point, and well, it is what she wants. That doesn't happen often. I can't wait to see the rest of it.

Posted by Teresa C at March 7, 2005 5:16 PM

I agree with the swatching comment (that your experiments are indeed swatches in disguise).

My mom made a zippered cardigan years ago out of fire engine red chenille. The arms were so long (she never used a pattern and would always knit to "it looks about right" which it usually was except for this one sweater) that it would have looked at home on an orangutan, even thought the color would have clashed. So she knit another one. Same thing happened. I still have one of them. Never wear it but love to touch it. Set in sleeves, too. Go for the green. It will look lovely on you.

Posted by Julie at March 7, 2005 5:18 PM

I can't decide, but yes, HEY! nice yarn! ;-)

I'm going to yoga now. At the pace you SWATCH, you'll probably be done the sweater when I return and before I hit the shower. Geezh. I'm getting hot just thinking about the speed at which you knit those .... swatches.

Posted by Norma at March 7, 2005 5:23 PM

Looks good. However, like rams, I will not let myself become attached to this version. It might be frogged tomorrow!

I admire your ability to frog things. I tend to just keep soldiering gamely on, hoping that it will at some point begin to look good again.

Perhaps this is because I frequently knit patternless. Crappy patterns created by someone else are easier to ditch.

(Yes, it is ironic that _I_ am not fond of frogging. (Check my blog title, those of you not in on the joke.))

Posted by Rana at March 7, 2005 5:28 PM

Dear Stephanie,

I know that there are fleeting moments when we agree. FLEETING moments. And I know that truly, in the deepest depth of your heart, you almost love me because of the chocolate that I bring you. I understand my role in our friendship: I bring you chocolate and you let me say mean things to you. Chocolate, after all, is the great equalizer (or is that pacifier?).

But ... in your current cast on, I *really* want to embroider little flowers up the chain of ivy that you've got. I want to do this almost as much as I want to flip all of your mugs up-side-down.

If you're going to be William Morris--*BE* William Morris. Do not just toy with the concept of beautiful wall papers, be one with them. Make your ivies talk to each other instead of just having them run up along side each other, parallel and non-communicative.

Your loving friend (who bought you another bar of chocolate today),
emma

Posted by emmajane at March 7, 2005 7:48 PM

You make me realize I am a dumbass for spending my entire Sunday swatching with nothing to show for it!

Posted by Rebecca at March 7, 2005 7:49 PM

You obviously have WAAAAAYYYYYY too much time on your hands now that the latest manuscript is complete. I'm with B. (that's not to say that I personally ever swatch, regardless of swatch size!) But that's just me. And I feel a bit of deja vu kind of thing here. Remember the Rhinebeck?

Posted by Barbara from Nova Scotia at March 7, 2005 7:54 PM

I read but I don't think I've ever commented before....anyhow, had to leave a note to say I think it looks fabulous! I *heart* Sally Melville.

Posted by Nikki at March 7, 2005 8:14 PM

I think it's a keeper because I don't think the yarn can take another ripping. In fact you and I can take another ripping out. Luckily, what you've got is very lovely. I like to use the formula in Maggie Righetti's Sweater Design in Plain English to figure the set in sleeves. It's not hard at all.

Posted by Silvia at March 7, 2005 8:23 PM

Yes! Yes! Yes! and what is wrong with blue?

Posted by Wanda at March 7, 2005 8:59 PM

The final sweater is LOVELY! And I love that you showed each of your attempts because the end result is even better that way.

Posted by Sarah at March 7, 2005 9:33 PM

That's totally gorgeous. I'm definitely tempted to try and buy a back issue just for that stitch pattern.

I have to admit that I hate swatching, but I'm finding it increasingly necessary if I want to be anal retentive (and sometimes, when I'm not lazy, I DO want to be anal), so I have ask you; After 3 sweater backs and 2 sweater fronts, are you going to start swatching?

Posted by Bobby at March 7, 2005 10:26 PM

Ahh, Harlot. Easy way? What's that? I admire your courage (even if it borders on lack of sense). I LOVE it. Good luck :)

Posted by Vicki at March 7, 2005 10:28 PM

SHHHHH I never swatch either hehe...

Posted by Stickchicky at March 7, 2005 10:58 PM

Umm.

For you, sure. I think it befits you. And the color will bring out your hair.

Posted by suz at March 8, 2005 12:30 AM

That is one aesthetically pleasing design. The progression of ideas you showed us only highlights what a good pattern it is, and the yarn works well.
I like Sally Mellville's work quite a bit; now I also want to check on that issue of Interweave.

Posted by Terry (ninjaknitter) at March 8, 2005 12:43 AM

P.S. Is it a washed example?

Posted by Terry (ninjaknitter) at March 8, 2005 12:44 AM

Cool! This is gonna make it!

Posted by emy at March 8, 2005 2:19 AM

Yes, keep it!!!! The end result is worth all the fuss.

I had a similar insane pile of magazines and books recently also...

Posted by Jenny at March 8, 2005 4:36 AM

Yep. That's the keeper. well it is if YOU like it!!

Posted by Snargle's MOM at March 8, 2005 8:03 AM

Dang! That is one nice piece of work out there. That texture shows off the yarn wondefully.

Maybe you can design the eventual sweater that I keep telling myself I will make for the office?

Posted by Seanna Lea at March 8, 2005 8:31 AM

I have a question, if if might: which one of these pictures most accurately represents the color of the yarn? I've been eyeing this particular peace fleece color for some time, but I'm rather picky about my "pale greens" (if that is what we're to call this) and would love to know if it looks more like the final picture (ie darker and greener) or the other pics (more teal-y).

Posted by Sarah at March 8, 2005 3:57 PM

Definitely keep the last one. If I were you I would use something more simple for the sleeves...but then again it`s just an idea. It`s also good to know that I`m not the only one who casts on back without finding more out about the yarn. Maybe next time:) Which you luck!

Posted by Nonsie at March 8, 2005 5:18 PM