For all the talk we do about being the bosses of our fibre, of taking charge, of bending its filaments to your will, there sometimes comes a moment when I remember that fibre has a voice, and that failure to listen can result in disaster - or crappy yarn, depending on your personal definition of disaster. (I only advocate telling other spinners that the fleece was talking to you. You would be surprised how many people are suddenly really busy if you bring up the voices in polite company.)
Such is the case with the fibre I started spinning last week. My intention was to divide the batt in half lengthwise, then spin one half of it up, progressing from one end of the batt to the other, then repeat with the other half onto another bobbin, then ply the two together and hope that the colour change present in the batt would be present in the yarn.
Too bad the batt didn't give a crap about my plan. (Too bad the colour sucks on these pictures as well...the colour on the right is an intense coral/red/pink. Just plain refuses to photograph without being over-saturated and disco intense. Try to use your imagination. ) Actually, I've got no business accusing the batt of duplicity. I did not properly assess the batt, I disregarded the will of the batt, and the batt behaved as batts will when they have their dignity offended that way...which is to say that the whole thing sucked.
Since I started out deciding what I wanted, I had pretty much decided how I would spin it. Woolen style, forward draw.
"Worsted" and "woollen" when used in spinning, refer to fibre preparation (as in "woollen prep") and the way things are spun. (While worsted is a weight or yarn in knitting, it's not in spinning. A yarn spun "worsted" can be any weight.) To over simplify entirely it goes like this:
Worsted = straight. Fibres are combed in preparation making "top", where the fibres are parallel and close together. Worsted spinning emphasizes using techniques that keeps the fibres straight and parallel and minimizes the amount of air in the resulting yarn. This yarn is very durable and strong.
Woollen = airy. Fibres are prepared on cards, making "roving" where fibres are more jumbled and have more air between fibres than in worsted. Woollen spinning emphasizes keeping this loftiness, using techniques that don't compress the fibres. Yarn spun this way still has the air trapped between the fibres, and is warmer and softer, but not as durable or strong.
Now, you can totally mix and match here. Worsted prep top can be spun using woollen techniques, and the other way around. An example would be spinning a merino top using the long draw technique. I can't do it, but that doesn't mean it can't (or shouldn't) be done. A lot of spinners spin everything the same way, regardless of prep type. Generally speaking, I find it easiest to spin worsted yarns with worsted techniques (merino top, short forward draw) and woollen yarns with woollen techniques. (Grafton batt, long draw.)
See that second example? Yeah. The whole short forward draw on the batt thing that I was planning? Not so much. After spinning a quarter bobbin of yarn that had as much finesse as my birkenstocks at the ballet, I wised up and took a look, and tried to figure out what I was doing wrong.
(Photo courtesy Samantha, a bored 13 year old who will certainly find something else to do tomorrow so she isn't co-opted into taking pictures of her dorky mother doing dorky things.)
As I was holding the fibre in my hand and pulling it out and forward towards the orifice, it was almost seizing. Any little criss-cross of fibres (of which there were many - it's a woollen preparation) weren't pulling out in between my hands but almost tightening and knotting as I tried to force it. It was a frustrating crap scene and I wasn't getting what I wanted, a light-ish very smooth yarn.
I walked away. I knit. I thought about it. I stewed it over. I went back to the wheel from time to time and tried variations on my plan. I held the fibre more loosely, more tightly. I shortened the drafting zone. I lengthened it. I pre-drafted. I didn't. I refuse to tell you how long I thought about it, because it's a little embarrassing. Finally it hit me. If what I was doing wasn't working....why didn't I try something else!
(I am not as smart as you think.)
Instead of trying to figure out how to do the wrong thing better, why didn't I see if there was a right thing!
(Just pass the Nobel prize right over here.)
This would be me, using a long draw to spin a fine single that is looking a whole lot better and is a lot less like trying to nail jello to a tree.
Better? I thought so. Held loosely in my back (for me that's left) hand, with the twist allowed to flow freely up the single as I swing my arm wide, the fibres are untangling and almost flowing.
This single is coming up finer than I planned so I bailed on the other part of my idea too. I'm going to spin up the whole batt, one end to the other and chain-ply ( or navajo-ply, depending on who you ask). I should end up with...well. Something a lot like what I was planning on, albeit a 3-ply instead of a 2. It'll still have that colour progression though...I'm just getting there the fibres way instead of mine, since I started listening to the batt and what it had to tell me.
Just don't tell any ordinary people it talks....all right? I'm misunderstood enough.
Posted by Stephanie at July 10, 2007 12:40 PMI so enjoy reading about your life, wool and antics.
Posted by: Sue at July 10, 2007 12:39 PMSome angora top I bought felted. I think it is saying 'na na na'.
Posted by: kim in oregon at July 10, 2007 12:43 PMThanks for the timely post, Stephanie! I've been fighting with a spindle and batt for a while now and what you describe just might be my problem. I might give this particular batt some time on the wheel. Maybe then we'll feel the love, 'cause we certainly ain't feelin' it now.
Posted by: Teri S. at July 10, 2007 12:44 PMSteph, it's not just batts that talk - every single skein / hank / ball of yarn in my home talks to me. You're definitely right about not mentioning this to "civilians" though - they just do NOT get it.
Posted by: AuntyNin at July 10, 2007 12:46 PMAs someone who struggles with just getting the dang yarn turned into something wearable without holes or coming apart, I must admit I am in awe of anyone who can turn a sheep into the stuff I try to work with (OK, given, there are only rat bastards and not sheep in your backyard, but you're working a lot closer to the critter than I can possibly imagine doing!)
Funny how the voices always know what will work - even when we refuse to listen to them, huh?
(and to be a commenter above #300 is a thrill too!)
Posted by: Baraka at July 10, 2007 12:47 PMOf course the wool talks. Can you believe how many incredibly rude (nonspinner) people there are out there who just aren't listening!!?
Posted by: Joanne at July 10, 2007 12:47 PMWe, your readers, understand perfectly
Posted by: moira in lethbridge at July 10, 2007 12:49 PMNot positive about the talking, but as someone who just jumbled the sequence in cable-plying (went s/z/s instead of s/s/z) and is looking at the pitiful result, debating how to salvage it, I will confirm that it's capable of sniggering.
Posted by: rams at July 10, 2007 12:53 PMAbsolutely gorgeous. Feel free to send it my way. ::very big grin::
FYI - I have another batt of the stuff I gave you in Petaluma that is begging me to let it go to your house too. May just pass it up your way since I still can't spin. I'd like it to get made into something.
Posted by: Tiny Tyrant at July 10, 2007 12:57 PMWool does not merely talk. It bats you, as it were, over the head until you give in. Your single is positively mouthwatering.
(And you are messing with my head again. I expect no less.)
Posted by: Lucia at July 10, 2007 12:59 PMYarn speaks to me, saying things like "Of course you love me."
"Sure, you can do that project that seems hopelessly out of your league."
"For crying out loud, I cost less than all the wine you bought for your last dinner party, and I last longer, and you'll feel better when you wake up after a night with me."
Just lash me to the mast of my ship and call me Odysseus.
And I don't care what my neurologist thinks; these are NOT auditory hallucinations.
your spinning !!!!!
today?????
are you baking in the oven too?
It's O.K. everyone I know it's tuesday and all but it's like 45 degrees in T.O. today.
spin in front of a fan or in the tub or somthing ( post tub pictures)
Hi Sam.
Posted by: denny Mcmillan at July 10, 2007 1:02 PMIt's amazing how inanimate things talk. If you remember my dinky little bit of sock I had barely started at your appearance in Portland? [g] I swear it's - well, swearing at me and saying it doesn't wanna be socks! I mean geesh, I can do a 2x2 rib while I'm *reading*, yet I've-- Never mind.
I've also got a bunch of amethyst nuggets and green aventurine and pewter and glass and green agate beads that are supposed to be a really cool chunky necklace, and darned if they aren't sticking their non-existent little tongues out at me and saying, "Oh hell no, we aren't gonna work together. Look at us; we suck as a team, don't we? Yes we do. Hah!"
They've been saying it to me every time I look at it for about three years now. Maybe it's time I took that necklace apart, y'know?
Posted by: MonicaPDX at July 10, 2007 1:02 PMYarn/Fiber TOTALLY talks.
I was struggling with a scarf. Sportweight yarn, a good needle size (I not only did a gauge swatch, but I WASHED and BLOCKED it, too!), and a fairly straightforward pattern.
WEEKS I tried working on it. Every night. I'd get 3 rows forward, and would have to undo all of them. Forward and back. Forward and back. Then I finally got one full pattern repeat done (all 8 rows of it) and realized I hated the needle size. Ripped it back, cast on again using needles 2 sizes smaller and just went zipping along on it.
Until I got far enough along that I realized the person I was making it for would hate it. LOLOL
Posted by: Lynda the Guppy at July 10, 2007 1:02 PMLove the corals. And yeah, some carded batts just *won't* spin worsted, just like some combed sliver is just too danged slippery to do a long draw (tho I can usually manage a kind of medium draw by spinning slipper stuff from the fold.) I always figure that it's a partnership between me and the wool (or silk, or cotton or whatever) and we both have to be kinda on the same page to get a happy-making yarn. Glad you figured out how to make you both (you and the wool) win this battle of wits!
Joy
Rewalsar, H.P., India
Yarn totally talks, as we all know. Now if only it would explain the whys behind its whims, I would be so happy...
Posted by: ccr in MA at July 10, 2007 1:09 PMI really, really WANT to learn to spin. Reading about this experience makes me realize how little I understand about the fibers I knit with every day.
The colors are beautiful!
Posted by: Patti purls at July 10, 2007 1:13 PMDear Lynda the G -- As to your meticulous swatch, see, as Stephanie brought to our attention, that which shall hereafter be referred to for the benefit of the purehearted merely as Franklin's Rule #2, to wit:
http://the-panopticon.blogspot.com/2007/06/observations-upon-reaching-lace.html
I have a feeling if I were a spinner I would be gleefully sharing in your pride - however since I am not (yet) a spinner I mostly find this very fascinating, because while I freely ogle all the handspun out there on the blogs, I still know very little about How It All Happens.
And the colour is gorgeous! I can see why you would want to keep it going through the spun yarn.
Navajo. Definitely. Not chain. The inventors need credit for the technique.
Your wool talks to you? Gosh, it has better manners than mine, which usually cusses me out.
Posted by: dez at July 10, 2007 1:17 PMIs that an Ashford Joy that I see? I own one and love it!!! I love the colors in that fiber. And yes, learning how to listen to the fiber makes all the difference!
Posted by: anna at July 10, 2007 1:19 PMOf course yarn and fiber and projects talk to us. We're not deaf!
Posted by: AlisonH at July 10, 2007 1:20 PMIt's a testament to your brilliance that I was captivated and worried for you and your spinning, and all I know about spinning is what you just told me in this post.
Hooray for beautiful things that emerge from frustration and perseverance! Genius, you.
Posted by: Dr. B. at July 10, 2007 1:20 PMThat looks lovely! Geez, I was already all excited for my spindling class on Thursday... Now I don't know how I'm going to survive until then! Oh well, back to knitting/sniffing/petting/listening to my yarn.
Posted by: sknitster at July 10, 2007 1:25 PMAs a novice spinner I don't have anything intelligent to add to this discussion. So, you'll have to be content with a compliment: Dude, I LOVE your Verve t-shirt!
Posted by: Tonia at July 10, 2007 1:28 PMOk, I think you just gave me an aha moment. When I tugged on the roving that I was initially mangling it used to pull apart a little in a most pleasing manner. The top that I'm currently destroying is not pulling at all. I just overspin and watch it get sucked onto my bobbin while I wonder while I have no control. I was confused and befuddled and irritated but I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that I'm dealing with two completely different things and shouldn't expect them to behave the same way. I have so much to learn.
Posted by: Renee the Sequel at July 10, 2007 1:28 PMWith all the attitude that fiber gives me, I would swear most days that it came from cats, not sheep or rabbits or alpaca.
If fiber had eyes, it would give me the same look my cat does when I can't figure out the problem. If you live with a cat, you know the one - the look that says "it really sucks that I live with a stupid human who can't speak Cat and that I must repeat myself louder and louder and louder just to get my perfectly reasonable point across."
Posted by: Tanya at July 10, 2007 1:30 PMI see, so sometimes the yarn is a pain in the knickers from batt to cast off is it? Heartening thought.
Posted by: Dorothy B at July 10, 2007 1:34 PMI too have suffered the same. I usually do a combination of the long draw and the short draw from a distance when faced with fiber that doesn't want to cooperate or is very neppy. And Navajo plying? I love it! Except when ones single gets too thin in a spot and decides to break! That's when one requires 3 hands.
Posted by: Manise at July 10, 2007 1:34 PMI wish I could get the hang of the long draw.
Posted by: Emma in France at July 10, 2007 1:36 PMEh, my family is used to me hearing voices.
Lovely lovely fiber, both spun and not. Linda must eat, sleep and breathe beautiful colors. (If her workshop looks like mine, it's assured.)
I hear it, every time I pass the yarn shop, farm, show booth, "buy me, buy me". Then you get it home & it won't be quiet here either!
Posted by: elan at July 10, 2007 1:40 PMI understand. I personally feel that often times the so called "eccentric" folk, actuall know about what they are talking about and are MUCH more interesting. I'd much rather be considered eccentric, than normal (dry, ignorant,uncaring muggle that locks up sock clubs!!)
Posted by: Vicki at July 10, 2007 1:41 PMI won't tell on you, if you won't rat out me. My offspring totally thinks I am nuts anyway, but what they don't know won't make them understand any more either.
Posted by: marti at July 10, 2007 1:43 PMI'm doing some textured tussah silk from Spinderella and, lo and behold, it wants to be textured yarn! Who'd have thunk it? I'm hoping the judges at the fair will realize that it was my (the fiber's) intention to make a more novelty yarn and not just think it looks like ass.
Posted by: Wendy at July 10, 2007 1:47 PMSo glad you found a solution! It's going to be beautiful yarn!
Posted by: Melissa at July 10, 2007 1:49 PMI read the whole thing and understood almost nothing.....but I like the last pictured yarn best.....so I guess I understand? *grin*
Posted by: Lynae at July 10, 2007 1:50 PMSo that's what all the noise is! Perhaps getting the fibre its own room will quiet the din a bit.
Posted by: Leanne at July 10, 2007 1:52 PMDoes your fibre have a deep Australian accent too? Or is that just me?
Posted by: pattiblaine at July 10, 2007 1:53 PMMy yarns and knitting speak to me. But I never let the muggles know about it. They might think they should lock me up...but we know better.
Posted by: Doris at July 10, 2007 1:57 PMMy roving usually screams at me;)
Posted by: Kris at July 10, 2007 2:00 PMYou are increasing my spinning wheel lust!
Posted by: Sarah at July 10, 2007 2:01 PMNo quibbles here -- it's Tuesday, and you're spinning. Nice.
Posted by: Presbytera at July 10, 2007 2:01 PMI won't tell if you won't...
Posted by: Carol at July 10, 2007 2:06 PMAh, that explanation was enought to convince me never, ever to try spinning my own yarn. Not happening. I bow before the masters who do so, and will gladly support them by buying their yarn.
Although I can sympathize intensely. Thus far, I've frogged a sweater with Noro Kocheron 11 (count 'em) 11 times. In three days. Because no matter how many or few stitches I cast on, the freakin' thing is either too big -- or too small. Lacing your persistence, I just gave up on it and moved to another sweater . . .
Posted by: Shel at July 10, 2007 2:06 PMYeah, it's not just the wool that talks. I'm an art quilter and the fabric talks too. It can be very demanding about what other fabrics it's willing to be seen with, and how you coax it through the sewing machine. I hear you.
Posted by: Kristin L at July 10, 2007 2:07 PMIt is not just wool that speaks (softly, you need to listen closely...) I have some beautiful bamboo yarn that is resisting, mightily, all attempts to knit it into something. It is lovely, soft (withstands going to the frog pond nicely) but everytime I start something with it, it blows raspberries at me. It has a particular project, obviously...but it really has not shared the project with me, yet. In the meantime it is getting stroked (and the cats leave the bamboo alone...so no threats have worked against it.)
Posted by: PICAdrienne at July 10, 2007 2:08 PMThat's so cool. I really need to learn to spin. But I have a feeling its one of those things that I need someone to teach me. I can't just wing it like I did with knitting (I was doing that wrong for a year before I figured it out.)
Posted by: KnittingMole at July 10, 2007 2:10 PMI do not want to learn to spin .... I do not want to learn to spin .... I do not want to learn to spin .... do you think if I keep chanting that while covering my eyes that I might escape?
Posted by: Valeria in Georgia at July 10, 2007 2:12 PMVery nice photos, Samantha! This post was so interesting to me. I love the process of spinning even thought I don't spin.
Posted by: Amy Jo at July 10, 2007 2:17 PMAt least your voices have something constructive to add - mine, not so much.
Posted by: debsnm at July 10, 2007 2:18 PMWow. I certainly have a lot to learn. I'm sure the finished product is going to be beautiful.
Posted by: Jenn at July 10, 2007 2:20 PMMy yarn (talking knitting here, as I don't spin -- but the voices remain the same) -- doesn't talk much when things are going its way. Maybe a contented hum at best. But it sure says "NO!" when all is not well! Kind of like a baby. "Figure out what's wrong and FIX IT -- with no other clue except that I'm really pissed off!"
Posted by: Cathy-Cate at July 10, 2007 2:20 PMOf course it all talks to me....I am always amused at my spinner friends that get all technical about their WIP's etc. (and they are just as amused at me) because I listen to the fiber and do what it tells me to do. Period. End of story. And it always works.....any time I try to bend its will it never works. You just gotta listen!
Posted by: Graygirl at July 10, 2007 2:21 PMI just learned how to chain ply 3 weeks ago (after 20+ years of spinning, and I can't get enough of it. It makes the coolest colorways, because no matter how hard I try to spin batts/slivers/rovings so that the colors combine nicely, they just don't seem to work like I want. Your singles will ply up beautifully that way. Love the colors.
Posted by: Braizyn at July 10, 2007 2:22 PMFiber most definately talks! There's nothing wrong with that. It's when we start talking back... uh.. . Well, you get the idea. But it does us good to listen! I really listened to some fiber I bought at MDS&W recently and boy did it turn out well as a result! Some of my best spinning to date!
Posted by: Artsygal at July 10, 2007 2:26 PMoh thank GOD....the voices are real. I can quit trying to ignore them in a vain attempt to seem normal. They're such sweet voices. Really can't resist them. Hmmmmm are we sure this is normal?
Posted by: nifer at July 10, 2007 2:28 PMMy yarn talks to me too . . . We don't have to tell the muggles :-)
Posted by: Scienceprincess at July 10, 2007 2:29 PMYou have helped me with your struggles. It is so nice that other people can have the same problems as you. With being new to spinning I tend to think that I am just not doing it right. Of couse that is true, but I am glad to know that there is another way.
Posted by: Tonia at July 10, 2007 2:31 PMNow I want to get myself home and spin on my bit of Fleece Artist merino I have started. I can hear it calling from here at my office 50km away. Fibre talks? Hah! It bellows, Darlin'.
Posted by: Gwen in Bowmanville at July 10, 2007 2:36 PMWicked awesome Verve shirt!
No comment on the talking...
I love the image of nailing jello to a tree!
Posted by: Michele in Maine at July 10, 2007 2:43 PMNot only do fiber, yarn, plants, pets, and in-progress quilts talk, so does content on a website. I told that to some clients the other day and it made perfect sense to them. So we can hold off on categorization until we have enough content to categorize and the content tells us how it "wants" to be categorized.
Sometimes I think that maybe enlightenment is just learning to listen.
Thanks for "outting" this important truth, Steph. I need frequent reminders.
Posted by: Cynthia at July 10, 2007 2:43 PMIt's only a problem when the yarn/fiber starts arguing with the voices in your head.
Posted by: Therese at July 10, 2007 2:51 PM"A lot of spinners spin everything the same way, regardless of prep type." Yup, that's me. Long draw... woollen... I need to broaden my spinning horizons.
Posted by: Janice at July 10, 2007 2:52 PM"Finally it hit me. If what I was doing wasn't working....why didn't I try something else!
(I am not as smart as you think.)"
and 10 is bigger than 9, every time. =]
Posted by: amy at July 10, 2007 2:55 PMWow!
I thought I wanted to spin as a sideline to my knitting, but I'm not so sure now.
I've done a wee bit of drop spindle, and what you're talking about here sounds confusing! Intriguing, but a whole new language to learn.
Steph, you missed the most important information. WHERE DID THAT BATT COME FROM? It's gorgeous...
My wheel has been sitting there, woefully, with 1/2 a bobbin of Ashland Bay English Garden on it for months (while I knit, and worked, and wove, and started restoring an old wheel). Something like that batt calling my name would get me back at the wheel.
Posted by: Mary Peed at July 10, 2007 3:01 PMit is a true artist who "listens" to the voice of their medium. michaelangelo apparently said in sculpting all he had to do was release the form that was already inside the block. hence, once you, stephanie, listened to the form already in the fibre, lo and behold! the art was released! :)
Posted by: christine m. east of toronto at July 10, 2007 3:04 PMWhen anything inanimate talks to you, you must listen. Few people have the ability to hear it---it's a gift!
Now if we could just get it to tell us precisely what it wants to be when it grows up, we could collaborate so much more easily. It is a partnership, you know.
What will the muggles think when they hear us earnestly quizzing our yarn, batts, etc,? Who cares? Spin on!
Posted by: Jane S in Ohio at July 10, 2007 3:11 PMWow... Greek
I totally did not understand a word of that. By the time I was done my eyes were squinty and my mouth was hanging open in concentration - still nothing.
Spinning still intimidates me.
I think I'll go knit until I my mouth closes.
I believe I shall stick to my knittin'. I kinda went all "flying toasters" just trying to read through that, having absolutley no clue what you were talking about; draught, draw, worsted that doesn't mean weight...Yup, you lost me. Very very glad there are people like you out there who do this, because it means there is yarn out there for me to do unto...But I think I'll stop beating myself up for not being a spinner, now! Anyway, those colors look gorgeous; can't wait to see what you make of it!
Posted by: pamela at July 10, 2007 3:15 PMbeing new to spinning, I'm not fluent in "fiber" yet, which may explain the very un-yarn-like substance that is coming off my wheel. I need to listen more closely...
Posted by: Patti at July 10, 2007 3:17 PMMy first peek into the secret life of spinners.
How can I have knit so many years and know nothing of this?!!
De-lurking to say thanks for these spinning tips, which are HUGE for a beginner like me who is trying to figure it out on her own. Would love to see more posts like this when you have the time and inclination.
Posted by: Maureen at July 10, 2007 3:34 PMSpinning lingo is unnavigated syntax for me. Spinning does seem to contain same basic elements as other art forms e.g., patience, time, commitment, physical coordination, lots of mental/spiritual stretch, and workworkworkwork.
I do know my stash talks to me, however my ears aren't quite tuned to be able to follow; however, eventually those bags (many) of mohair and Habu trippy stuff will be something - just have to keep practicing the craft and listening.
You are so totally right. I'm not even sure really how I spin. I do pre-draft so I can get the single to be as thin as possible. I usually shoot for at least a sport or worsted weight. I always think I am going to get it the size that I want, and then after it has totally done what it wanted, I'm like, oh ... yeah... this is what I was planning to do.... :)
Posted by: Daniele at July 10, 2007 3:41 PMI've often wondered if way back in the dawn of time, someone heard wool talk. It first said take me off this sheep please, and she did, and then she listened in case the fleece would say more, and she just kept going along with it. that first fibre person was a really good listener.
Posted by: Needles at July 10, 2007 3:51 PMI just learned how to spin and I LOVE it. Thank you for today's post, I understand (almost) every word of it!
I have a couple of Grafton rolags here...so thank you for the heads up!
Posted by: karin at July 10, 2007 3:59 PMNot only does it talk, sometimes it screams, as it TAKE ME HOME! LOL!
Posted by: Lynne at July 10, 2007 3:59 PMI know your shirt likely says "Vous"...
... but it looks like "Venus".
Which only goes to show how very much you love spinning :)
Posted by: Dagny at July 10, 2007 3:59 PMAll I can say is, if you can get it to do ANYthing, you're way ahead of me! Gorgeous stuff there, no matter who's doing the bossing. Methinks it may be time to beg Mom for Great-grandma's spinning wheel and learn to spin.
Posted by: Steph Bolinger at July 10, 2007 4:01 PMSurrender is my operative word...approach with an idea and then surrender....good for everything..I learned this through basket weaving...I would have an idea and the cedarbark would have a different idea...should I pull hours of work apart or love wherever it was taking me....surrender is what I learned to do best..then if it wasn't appreciated I could always say, not my fault the fibre made me do it...lol...cedar
Posted by: cedar wallace at July 10, 2007 4:02 PMI wish I could get the hang of the short draw.
Posted by: Lee Ann at July 10, 2007 4:08 PMCommunication is a wonderful thing! Unspun fibers, dyes, yarn...all yelling for attention - a lot like my small children. You can suggest and gently guide, but in reality they are going to do what they want!
Posted by: Kimber at July 10, 2007 4:16 PMThanks for a wee lesson, before my wheel arrives. Dare I tell Hubby that soon, there's gonna be lots of talking, demanding old batts around here? He only knows of one.
Posted by: Petunia at July 10, 2007 4:17 PMThank God I'm not the only one who is nuts! Mention the little voices around here and they threaten to take my pointy sticks away.
Right now I have some extremely rude and contrary alpaca on my wheel. It's practically spitting at me.
Posted by: eclair at July 10, 2007 4:22 PMWhen my socks talk back to me, I put them in time out!
Posted by: Cynthia at July 10, 2007 4:22 PMI really didn't think the fiber would talk to me, a beginning spinner, but...it does. I guess maybe it's more appropriate to say that I listen to it when it doesn't behave the way I think it should! The fiber's lovely - can't wait to see it plied!
Posted by: elizabeth at July 10, 2007 4:32 PMNo, no...I hear you...I mean it...it's totally speaking our language...
Posted by: shanny mac at July 10, 2007 4:40 PMWow. I just learned so much. I am a terribly new spinner (I bought my pretty pretty pretty Lendrum Folding wheel in May with only one lesson prior to that and never touching the lendrum before) and I had no idea. I did just order 2 new spinning books though.
Posted by: Aimee at July 10, 2007 5:02 PMI've never posted before but I read your blog every day and I love it! All I've got say after reading today's blog is - I didn't understand a word of the spinning stuff but I'm sure glad there are spinners out there who can keep me stocked up with yarn!!! LOL
Posted by: Leslee at July 10, 2007 5:03 PMThey say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I must be insane, because I do that kind of thing ALL the time!!
Posted by: 5elementknitr at July 10, 2007 5:12 PMHmmm. I am still a bit confused as to which techniques are assigned to worsted vs. woolen. Most of what I've tried to spin thusfar is worsted prep. But although I've tried to do some studying, I'm spending most of my time with the fiber and the wheel and haven't gotten any formal training. I've been using a longer draw (sort of) but there isn't a whole lot of arm swinging since I am too nervous to move my front hand very far from the drafting zone...
Posted by: Heather at July 10, 2007 5:13 PMNow I want to learn to spin...
BTW, I heeded your advice and decided to backup my computer this morning. I hadn't done a backup in over a year, and my computer has been acting a little sluggish the past few days. Well, it bricked right in the middle of the backup. I have yet to figure out what is there and what is gone. (sob)
I should have done it sooner! Everyone heed the Harlot and back up your computers!
Posted by: Tara in Colorado at July 10, 2007 5:20 PMI speak just enough weaving to translate some of the spinning. Recognition of esses and zees, woolens and worsteds helps communication with fibers in many areas.
Still, I've had plenty of frustrating episodes of noncommunication. I once spent a frustrating week trying to swatch baby cashmerino into something resembling a firmly knit lace. No matter how sharp the points with which I skewered it, it refused to K3tog or P2togtbl at gauge. I finally loosened up, settled on a simple seed stich with a few columns of faggoting and we get on very well during those brief times I get around to visit it.
Posted by: KarenJoSeattle at July 10, 2007 5:26 PMALL my fiber talks to me. ALL my PROJECTS talk to me. Fortunately, my husband is a weaver and understands completely when I look at him and say "well, I thought this was going to be a round basket, but apparently it wants to be oval (or square, or triangle)".
It's good to listen to the fiber.
Posted by: Susan in Fairbanks at July 10, 2007 5:35 PMBTW, nice closet!! That's the quickest any of my comments has posted.
Posted by: Susan in Fairbanks at July 10, 2007 5:36 PMBe the batt.
Be at one with the fibre.
Isn't that like trying to argue with an infant? You know they just need whatever, but they think they need something else. Too bad you can't nurse a batt. That was always my go-to answer when nothing else worked with my babies.
Posted by: Kathy in KS at July 10, 2007 5:40 PMgood thing that roving didn't come off Franklin's Dolores... can you imagine trying to spin it as it wheedled drinkies out of you, or how absolutely obstinate it would've become if you didn't, you know... give in to a little fondling before setting to proper spinning... as if you could, with all the boozing up she'd have done to our Harlot! Happy the outcome is showing success. Cami
Posted by: Camilla at July 10, 2007 5:55 PMGolly, I hadn't even noticed that I didn't understand a word of what you wrote until I read the comments. See, my husband, my best friend, and her husband are all computer professionals, so I'm used to meaningless words washing over me.
Posted by: Marina Stern at July 10, 2007 6:48 PMI understand about the listening and I normally hear my fibre but I think it's in a huff today!
I'm an inexperienced spinner who is currently having trouble with her fibre :( (what's with these twirly bits?)
Posted by: Bonnypurr at July 10, 2007 7:03 PMGreetings from Yonkers where it is too damn hot to knit with wool!
Someone sent me this quote today. I thought you would like it!
If automobiles had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside.
- Robert X. Cringeley
Oooooooooooh. Pretty. Red. Fuzzy. :)
Posted by: Romi at July 10, 2007 8:06 PMYep, it totally talks! You've just got to listen! And I'll tell anyone that -- I don't care if they think I'm nuts! Because if they'll think I'm nuts because of that, they'll probably think I'm nuts for 20 other reasons too, so eh, what do I care about what they think of me? Rock on.
Posted by: Riin at July 10, 2007 8:56 PMThat first photo looks like watermelon.
Mmmmmmm---Watermelon.
Posted by: anonymous at July 10, 2007 9:00 PMAnd you say you don't know enough to do a book about spinning - shame on you - we're waiting for one. When people ask me "what are you going to make with that?" I always tell them "the yarn will tell me when it's ready" - but then most of my friends think this psych nurse is a little crazy anyway!
Posted by: Pip at July 10, 2007 9:10 PMOf course it talks! If it didn't theres no way it could talk me into increasing my stash size faster than I can even conceive of what to make with all the stuff, much less actually do it!
Posted by: sarah at July 10, 2007 9:26 PMFiber laughs at both me and my spindle. Or maybe both the spindle and the fiber are laughing at me. Either way, I find spinning more relaxing with a beer nearby. It takes the sting out of the mockery.
Posted by: Heide at July 10, 2007 9:30 PMHaha. It happens. For some reason, I realized that I did my current project completely correctly, then decided to frog it. Though it was completely correct. I think I've lost my mind.
Posted by: Convivialiddell at July 10, 2007 10:38 PMFiber speaks. Oh yes, it does. Why is it then, that 90% of knitters/spinners are hard of hearing? Why do we not pick up that sound, we must be yelled at and screamed at by it before we scratch our heads and say, "Oh yes, ok, I see now."
Posted by: Tracey at July 10, 2007 10:42 PMisn't it funny how fiber decides what it wants to and whether we approve or not it tries to do it? Been there. done that. 10 years later i can almost decide what to do with fiber...but not always!
looks beautiful tho. love the colors!
Posted by: rita n/ at July 10, 2007 11:06 PMY'know, I really want to spin. I won the most beautiful purple heart spindle from a fellow blogger and I want to spin. I want to spin and spin well so that I can then justify buying a wheel and spinning. I want to buy a wheel and spin because it seems to me to be such a soothing and meditative process.
So, when is the Yarn Harlot's book on spinning coming out so that I can read it and understand all you know before attempting to tackle these feats?
If you could do that sooner, rather than later, I would be forever indebted to you. Oh wait, I already AM indebted to you for all the joy and wonder and knowledge you've already passed on. . . . CRAP! I've got nothin'. . . . .hmmmmm, maybe you could just consider writing the spinning book out of the goodness of your (huge) knitter's heart?
Thanks
Posted by: knittingnurse at July 10, 2007 11:28 PMi have 3 lbs of coopworth roving.
every book i checked says to spin it for outerwear & rugs.
i tried to spin it for laceweight, convincing myself it would make a good, sturdy shawl. i stopped when i saw a vision of myself with my flesh ripped to shreds by a tad too harsh 2 or 3 ply.
Posted by: jen at July 10, 2007 11:54 PMThanks to your explanation, I think I now understand the difference between "top" and "roving." (I've just started spindle spinning, and am having lots of fun, but I don't have an instructor.)
Posted by: Country Mouse at July 11, 2007 1:24 AMA.) I will not be sucked into this spinning thing that every other knitter seems to be doing. Peer pressure does not affect me, (even though it looks really fun).
B.) Yarn talks to me all of the time. It says things like - "I would make a great pair of slippers", "you know you want me", and "why not just buy one ball of me, take it home, and think about it?"
Posted by: Kimi at July 11, 2007 1:50 AMI always thought I might give spinning a "whirl" one day ! But it all sounds way too complicated. I think I'll stick with knitting.
Posted by: Barbie Clarke at July 11, 2007 2:48 AMThe rest of us spinners out here totally understand. The silk I have been working with recently has gone from speaking to screaming and the cotton I just bought..well, frankly I don't want to hear what it is going to have to say. The yarn looks great though and it is a really pretty color! Can't wait to see it finished!
LOL!!!!!!!! That's so true and so funny! When my friend was learning to spin, I told her that different fibers would tell her how they wanted to be spun. She said "Ok." (Basically it was a cross between "Yeah right! and "Whatever!") I could tell that she figured that I was either really going over the edge or into some New Age phase that just wasn't going to be pretty. A month or two later she called me up with a very surprised "You were right! I see what you mean!" I just cracked up because it does sound a little wacky until you've spun a bunch of different fibers. I just love that about spinning. I'm always learning something new every time I play with fiber. What really amazes me are those people who start out with a gorgeous but dirty fleece and end up with a beautiful sweater (or Gansey) that has been hand washed, combed or carded, spun uniformly the perfect weigh for the project and then knit up. AMAZING! I've done smaller projects with my handspun, but no sweater yet. I'm still looking for the perfect fleece!
Posted by: Dyepotgirl at July 11, 2007 4:56 AMOh it talks alright. Just wait until it talks to you from off of the sheep's back and tells you how it wants to be washed, blended, dyed, and what it would like to be knit into.
Posted by: Gillian at July 11, 2007 6:26 AM"Nail Jello to a tree"!! You are so silly! ;)
Posted by: branda at July 11, 2007 10:53 AMAhhh, I am so jealous of your long draw! I just got my wheel on Thursday and have already spun up two different yarns - I am addicted, but inch-worming my way along. Yours looks lovely so far, can't wait to see it plied!
Posted by: Crystal at July 11, 2007 11:09 AMYou look so calm with your handspun. Not a frazzled wreck from having your drive go bellyup. I know it's not true, but I'll enjoy the illusion.
Posted by: Duffy at July 11, 2007 11:17 AMhey there:)
love that pic of u
nice color tee, r u in the warm color family?
anyway, i know its so nice to take a nice pic
peace&blessings
mary~
Hey Steph! Nice single. It's amazing how different in color a single and the fibre it came from can look.
Anyway, I've been wanting to do some charity knitting for a while but wasn't sure what kind. I think I'd really like to make hats, and I know you guys have been collecting them on tours and stuff, and I was wondering where I could send them. I live in South Carolina.
psssst, I hear the voices, too...
Posted by: Jenni at July 11, 2007 1:11 PMThank you SO much for demystifying woollen vs. worsted. Something I never *quite* caught onto!
Posted by: Amanda at July 11, 2007 3:48 PMBIG RANT! Why is it, I would like to know when spinners talk about the "voice" of fiber they are considered nuts? I mean to we say other artists are crazy when they "listen" to the wood they are carving? Give me a break, I'm sick of being thought of as a fruit cake just because I buy kool aid by the case and when the check out girls asks if I'm having a party I explain I don't drink the stuff, I dye wool. Eyes roll, and the looks says weirdo.
Well fine. But I'm warm in the winter and YOU aren't in your plastic clothes.
Sorry, had to be said. Crazy sheep woman signing off!
Posted by: Allena at July 11, 2007 4:21 PMHi Stephanie:
I enjoy reading you blog almost everyday. I to am working on the baby surprise jacket, but I seem to have hit a snag on row 57, The increases accross the back seem to be a little off.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
susan
Posted by: susan at July 14, 2007 10:44 AMHow funny. I just started spinning some pretty, sparkly purple fluff, and it was trying to tell me the same thing that your coral batt was. And I suspected all along, but still spun a quarter of it the wrong way because I was afraid to try the long draw. Now, armed with info from teh interwebs, I will march (er, spin) onward!
Thanks. :)
Posted by: Carrie at July 16, 2007 11:40 PM